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		<title>By: Dialogue and the Right Preposition</title>
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		<title>By: John Backman</title>
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		<description>Really interesting points, Nancy. I had never connected the profound level of depersonalization with some of these other trends. Ironically, feeling alienated and depersonalized not only makes you want to yell more, but allows you to get away with it--because the person on the other end seems no longer like a person to us. I&#039;m never going to talk with her again, so why not give her hell when I have a problem? That&#039;s a scary thought. 

This is one reason I tend to gravitate toward individual, spiritual solutions to these issues. As isolated individuals, we&#039;re not going to change the trends: they&#039;re too big for that. But we can change ourselves (or, rather, allow God to change us). And as we change, who knows how much change we can foster in others?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really interesting points, Nancy. I had never connected the profound level of depersonalization with some of these other trends. Ironically, feeling alienated and depersonalized not only makes you want to yell more, but allows you to get away with it&#8211;because the person on the other end seems no longer like a person to us. I&#8217;m never going to talk with her again, so why not give her hell when I have a problem? That&#8217;s a scary thought. </p>
<p>This is one reason I tend to gravitate toward individual, spiritual solutions to these issues. As isolated individuals, we&#8217;re not going to change the trends: they&#8217;re too big for that. But we can change ourselves (or, rather, allow God to change us). And as we change, who knows how much change we can foster in others?</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

As I began reading your posting I thought about the bumper sticker. I think it speaks so much to the overall frustation of people today. The reason the BS is so nasty is because people have now been trained to shout lower, speak tougher, be nastier to get their point across. It also speaks to the fact that in most likelihood even if they began in a soft gentle way to say what they wanted they got them now were, were beaten down.  Hence the bumper sticker. They are frustrated and aggrevated. They are tired of (in this case) not being able to understand call customer service reps, clerks in stores, etc. 

I never thought I&#039;d find myself that way. After all I was raised with a totally different attitude and view point. But in the last several years as I&#039;ve had to deal with first insurance companies, then businesses and finally misc. organizations it seems that they have been slowly training us to yell, scream, or throw temper tantrums before anyone will pay attention to us. I feel it rise up in me from both ends...and I hate it.  I can&#039;t count the number of times I&#039;ve gotten off the phone from calls with Verizon or Ebay and just wanted to take a shower to wash out the communication methods they now employ. The amount of wasted time I have had to spend trying to get service. The way they treat me like an idiot, etc. It almost makes me want to do anything to avoid that. I&#039;ve tried tons of tactics and yet the only one that seems to work is to be firm and to fake anger. How said that our world has come to that. 

Not too long ago I had a discussion with a friend that spoke to how in dealing with companies today we just might as well throw hissy fits right away, they won&#039;t pass us along or deal with our issues til we have has done our appropriate performance for them. How frustrating can that be. Certainly the escalading violence of people shooting others shows the overall frustration level is much higher in the 21st century than in the 20th. So the ultimate question is how do we change it. How do we go back to dealing with people on the other end of the phone without having to yell at them. Its sad that we&#039;ve gotten to this level. What a frustrated world we live in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>As I began reading your posting I thought about the bumper sticker. I think it speaks so much to the overall frustation of people today. The reason the BS is so nasty is because people have now been trained to shout lower, speak tougher, be nastier to get their point across. It also speaks to the fact that in most likelihood even if they began in a soft gentle way to say what they wanted they got them now were, were beaten down.  Hence the bumper sticker. They are frustrated and aggrevated. They are tired of (in this case) not being able to understand call customer service reps, clerks in stores, etc. </p>
<p>I never thought I&#8217;d find myself that way. After all I was raised with a totally different attitude and view point. But in the last several years as I&#8217;ve had to deal with first insurance companies, then businesses and finally misc. organizations it seems that they have been slowly training us to yell, scream, or throw temper tantrums before anyone will pay attention to us. I feel it rise up in me from both ends&#8230;and I hate it.  I can&#8217;t count the number of times I&#8217;ve gotten off the phone from calls with Verizon or Ebay and just wanted to take a shower to wash out the communication methods they now employ. The amount of wasted time I have had to spend trying to get service. The way they treat me like an idiot, etc. It almost makes me want to do anything to avoid that. I&#8217;ve tried tons of tactics and yet the only one that seems to work is to be firm and to fake anger. How said that our world has come to that. </p>
<p>Not too long ago I had a discussion with a friend that spoke to how in dealing with companies today we just might as well throw hissy fits right away, they won&#8217;t pass us along or deal with our issues til we have has done our appropriate performance for them. How frustrating can that be. Certainly the escalading violence of people shooting others shows the overall frustration level is much higher in the 21st century than in the 20th. So the ultimate question is how do we change it. How do we go back to dealing with people on the other end of the phone without having to yell at them. Its sad that we&#8217;ve gotten to this level. What a frustrated world we live in!</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right with you, Jahcqui. I have several friends that are almost exactly like yours, and though sometimes they aggravate me no end, I hold onto them for just this reason. (Oh, and also the fact that I actually like these people.) In some cases, their surprising insights have forced me to give up my preconceptions of the groups to which they belong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right with you, Jahcqui. I have several friends that are almost exactly like yours, and though sometimes they aggravate me no end, I hold onto them for just this reason. (Oh, and also the fact that I actually like these people.) In some cases, their surprising insights have forced me to give up my preconceptions of the groups to which they belong.</p>
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		<title>By: Jahcqui Guardiola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jahcqui Guardiola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lately I have been the target of obnoxious opinion sharing, mostly in the name of fun.  Even though I&#039;ve been called a Bleeding Heart Socialist by this person and have had the USSR national anthem dedicated to me - Casey Kasem-style, when we aren&#039;t in a public forum it is amazing how similar our views are.  In other words, we are both more centrist than the labels given to us by what the demographic information of a Zogby poll might indicate.  The main reason I keep a running conversation with this person is because I WANT to know how and why someone who seemingly thinks completely differently than me about the world around us came to those conclusions.  Is this person just parroting the pundits, or do they have valid reasons I haven&#039;t considered in my life experiences?  I think the bumper stickers and the political labels are more fashion statement than actual substance.  If Twilight fans were mostly of voting age, I bet there would be a poll of which political leaning was more for Edward and which was more for Jacob.  It gets that silly.  The truly sad part is that silliness extends to our actual lawmaking process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lately I have been the target of obnoxious opinion sharing, mostly in the name of fun.  Even though I&#8217;ve been called a Bleeding Heart Socialist by this person and have had the USSR national anthem dedicated to me &#8211; Casey Kasem-style, when we aren&#8217;t in a public forum it is amazing how similar our views are.  In other words, we are both more centrist than the labels given to us by what the demographic information of a Zogby poll might indicate.  The main reason I keep a running conversation with this person is because I WANT to know how and why someone who seemingly thinks completely differently than me about the world around us came to those conclusions.  Is this person just parroting the pundits, or do they have valid reasons I haven&#8217;t considered in my life experiences?  I think the bumper stickers and the political labels are more fashion statement than actual substance.  If Twilight fans were mostly of voting age, I bet there would be a poll of which political leaning was more for Edward and which was more for Jacob.  It gets that silly.  The truly sad part is that silliness extends to our actual lawmaking process.</p>
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