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		<title>Of Dreamers, Realists, and Dialogue</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few years ago, my wife and I had the privilege of visiting a monastery in South Africa. Like many monasteries, Mariya uMama weThemba observed the Great Silence from roughly 8:00 p.m. to 8:00 a.m. I relish this extended time of silence and was dismayed, when I awoke early one morning, to hear my wife [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago, my wife and I had the privilege of visiting a monastery in South Africa. Like many monasteries, <a href="http://www.umaria.co.za/">Mariya uMama weThemba</a> observed the Great Silence from roughly 8:00 p.m. to 8:00 a.m. I relish this extended time of silence and was dismayed, when I awoke early one morning, to hear my wife (quietly) chatting at me.</p>
<p>I reminded her that we were in silence. Her response, with that impish twinkle I know so well: “I don’t care. I’m your wife. I’m going to talk at you anyway.” I couldn’t help but crack up (quietly).</p>
<p>Next story: From time to time, I have joined organizations that think big thoughts and do great things. They are actively seeking ways to make a profound difference in the world. And their contribution to the world is well worth the effort. Many times, however, these groups include a realist or two—someone whose role is to say, “I’d like that too, but here’s how this <em>really </em>works….”</p>
<p>I love these people. And here’s why.</p>
<p>On the dreamer-realist scale, I fall squarely on the dreamer side: the people who push for what <em>could </em>be.<em> </em>The realists remind me of what <em>is. </em>I consider silence a higher good; my wife reminds me that other people have other priorities. I love spinning lofty ideas out of not a whole lot; realists remind me that I have to start with the raw material of right here, right now.</p>
<p>What we miss sometimes, I think, is that we need each other.</p>
<p>Too often, dreamers and realists disparage those on the “other side.” Yet without the realists, the dreamers would, most likely, not make as much progress as they could. Without the dreamers, the realists would, most likely, not reach beyond current realities to envision, and therefore create, breakthrough change.</p>
<p>If they come together with a heart for dialogue, however—a heart oriented toward suspending preconceptions, hearing the other, welcoming a deep interplay of ideas—watch out. They could be a force for serious change.</p>
<p>This need for each other extends well beyond realists and dreamers. I see this in my faith tradition. Many Christians, traditionally identified as progressives, stress God’s concern for the dispossessed and for justice—God’s action <em>in the world</em>. Many others, traditionally identified as conservatives, stress the importance of sanctity and the joy of a personal relationship with the Divine—God’s action <em>in each person. </em></p>
<p>These emphases often come into conflict. Progressives, for instance, see LGBTQ equality as a justice issue for a dispossessed group of people; conservatives see it as an erosion of godly personal behavior. What if they came together with a heart for dialogue—not tussling over the issue at hand, but listening and probing more deeply to understand, and appreciate, the other’s deeper beliefs? <em>Both </em>sets of beliefs (if the Christian scriptures are any guide) are close to the heart of God, after all.</p>
<p>With a heart for dialogue, we can dispense with our instinctive hostility and instead approach our adversaries with curiosity. We can be open to hear what they have to offer that we need, and vice versa. In most cases, I truly believe the whole will be greater than the sum of the parts.</p>
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		<title>Reflections on the Dialogue: LGBTQ Issues and the Christian Church</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello, my friends. It’s so nice to be back with you. A few weeks ago, I told you about an upcoming dialogue to which I’d been invited—a conversation with a dozen evangelical Christians about LGBTQ issues and the Church. As you may know, the words evangelical, LGBTQ, and dialogue do not often appear together in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, my friends. It’s so nice to be back with you.</p>
<p>A few weeks ago, <a href="../2011/09/30/upcoming-dialogue-lgbt-issues-and-the-christian-church/#comments">I told you about</a> an upcoming dialogue to which I’d been invited—a <a href="http://www.evangelicalsforsocialaction.org/page.aspx?pid=542&amp;srctid=1&amp;erid=223445&amp;trid=eaedaae5-6917-41af-bf17-d7c8735e5d96">conversation</a> with a dozen evangelical Christians about LGBTQ issues and the Church. As you may know, the words <em>evangelical, LGBTQ, </em>and <em>dialogue </em>do not often appear together in the public square, so this gathering promised to be extraordinary.</p>
<p>It was all that, and then some.</p>
<p>I don’t think I can describe it any better than I have in <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-backman/gay-christian-dialogue-ra_b_1123310.html?ref=religion">this Huffington Post piece on the dialogue</a>. The article includes some questions that the dialogue raised in my mind: new (to me) possibilities about the way we might think about not only LGBTQ issues, but the future of the Church itself. The comments on the article, on the whole, have been more thoughtful than one sometimes sees online, so you may want to check them out—and add your response. I’d love to hear your thoughts, there <em>or </em>here.</p>
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		<title>Meanwhile, on the Lighter Side of Dialogue&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once upon a time, I belonged to a growing house church that spent years talking about its growth—and what to do about it.  Should we divide into several churches to maintain the intimacy that was our hallmark? Should we retain our current form and become a larger body, preserving the bonds of affection that had [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once upon a time, I belonged to a growing house church that spent years talking about its growth—and what to do about it.  Should we divide into several churches to maintain the intimacy that was our hallmark? Should we retain our current form and become a larger body, preserving the bonds of affection that had grown up among so many members? Could the two be combined in some way?</p>
<p>Because close relationships were involved, emotions ran high, and meetings became contentious.  At one point, we turned to euphemisms—<em>divide, bud, grow—</em>to soften the discussion. That was just too much for one of our most passionate and funniest members, so in the middle of one meeting he started in on a rant. He had had it with the euphemisms and the pleasantries and the dancing around the issue, he said, “and all because we’re afraid to utter that one four-letter word—<em>split!”</em></p>
<p>The entire room dissolved into laughter. You could feel everyone breathe a little deeper. For a while, at least, the tension was gone, and we could talk with one another again.</p>
<p>Dialogues can get very serious and very intense. They involve sustained concentration, reflection, and listening, all of which require considerable work. Occasionally, therefore, we need a reminder that (in nearly all cases) the fate of the world does <em>not </em>depend on our getting this dialogue, in this place, at this time, absolutely correct. On these occasions, humor is nothing less than a gift from the Divine.</p>
<p>As I wrote in a poem many years ago, “Our work is serious; don’t take it seriously.” If we can hold that paradox in mind when pursuing our dialogue—and laugh a little along the way—we can be freer to make mistakes, stumble over words, explore trains of thought that go nowhere. Ironically, that freedom may help the dialogue flow more freely.</p>
<p>It also reminds us of something fundamental. By lightening up, we give ourselves permission to be who we are: human. And our common humanity may bind us together more than anything we can say.</p>
<p>What’s the funniest thing you’ve ever heard in an otherwise serious conversation? Let us in on the joke. Hey, it’s Friday; we could all use a good laugh!</p>
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		<title>God&#8217;s Dialogue Command</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 14:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you pray the Daily Office, you may have run across this passage earlier in the week:  You shall not hate your brother in your heart, but you shall reason with your neighbor, lest you bear sin because of him. You shall not take vengeance or bear any grudge…but you shall love your neighbor as [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you pray the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liturgy_of_the_Hours">Daily Office</a>, you may have run across this passage earlier in the week:<em> </em></p>
<p><em>You shall not hate your brother in your heart, but you shall reason with your neighbor, lest you bear sin because of him. You shall not take vengeance or bear any grudge…but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord. (Leviticus 19:17-18, RSV)</em><em> </em></p>
<p>This comes from part of the Torah known to many scholars as the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holiness_code">Holiness Code</a>. According to the text, God has called the people of Israel to “be holy, for I the Lord your God am holy” (v. 2), and now he’s telling them how to do it. The list of commandments is an inspiration to anyone with high ethical standards: do not oppress your neighbor, do not be partial to the rich (<em>or </em>the poor) in judgment, leave produce in your field for the poor. </p>
<p>And <em>reason with your neighbor.</em><em> </em></p>
<p>It’s hard to reason without dialogue. Can we say, then, that God called the people of Israel—and, by extension, is calling us—into dialogue? </p>
<p>Maybe. Speaking for God with certainty is risky business, of course. But it <em>is </em>interesting to find this command ensconced amid so many others that lay out the basics of just, fair, merciful behavior. </p>
<p>Even more interesting is how close this passage ties “reasoning with your neighbor” to matters of love and hate. You shall not hate, so you must reason. You shall not hate, so you must love your neighbor as yourself. </p>
<p>That says two things to me. First, dialogue is an alternative to hate—even a way <em>through </em>hate. It’s difficult to hate someone when she’s talking with you. </p>
<p>The second thing <em>keeps</em> us talking: a commitment to love. When, in our hearts, we can commit ourselves to seek the other person’s good, for better or worse, we don’t give up. We might take a break from dialogue to clear our heads or let the emotion dissipate. But love keeps us coming back to the table—if not to agree, then to learn how to respect each other <em>within </em>our differences. </p>
<p>Imagine what would happen if, say, the warring factions within the Christian Church acted this out. Might they actually find a way to live together, conflicts and all?</p>
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